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October 13, 2008 4:00 AM PDT

The Apple notebook guessing game

Posted by Erica Ogg
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As with any Apple event, there's plenty of rumor and speculation to go around. The lead-up to Tuesday's event in which "the spotlight turns to notebooks," according to the event invitation, has been no different.

The Mac maker has invited journalists down to its Cupertino, Calif., headquarters to get a look at its new round of notebooks Tuesday morning. But what exactly Apple CEO Steve Jobs will unveil is anyone's guess.

We have a few clues in the form of purported "spy shots," or leaked photos, of the redesigned notebooks that have made the rounds on blogs, but of course those should be regarded with skepticism. Still, the consensus is that we'll see a major redesign to the MacBook lineup which is more than 2 years old.

There could be some interesting interior changes too. On Sunday, a new round of rumors cropped up that Apple may be switching to Nvidia's graphics chipset, while maintaining Intel CPUs.

It's been rumored for months that the lower-end MacBook will take on aluminum casing, which would make sense since it's already used for the MacBook Pro, but we could also see a move to LED (light-emitting diode) backlighting as Apple has already has done with the MacBook Air.

Both new chipsets and new casing could increase the cost of building the MacBook and MacBook Pro. But on the other end of the spectrum, Apple might be showing off a lower-priced option, too.

There has been a lot of chatter lately that Apple will offer a notebook for $800. The prevailing opinion is that it would be a completely new model, not a price-reduction to a current product--possibly an under-featured version of the current MacBook model, sans the optical drive or less RAM, smaller hard drive, and fewer ports while retaining the look of the current MacBook as well. But it's just a guess. That price tag, though, would put Apple in the same price range as a wide variety of notebooks from every other major PC maker.

Though we're clearly in the midst of an economic meltdown, it would be odd timing for a company that has never felt the need to compete on price with the likes of Dell and Hewlett-Packard, a practice that arguably hasn't been hurting Apple.

Apple's prices on the MacBook, for which it charges $1,099 for the current base model, aren't drastically different than similarly featured notebooks from Dell (like the XPS 1330 series) or HP (like the Pavilion dv3500t series), though market leaders Dell and HP have traditionally offered more customizable options than Apple, and often for cheaper. For example, HP charges $75 to upgrade 4GB of memory from 2GB. Apple charges $200.

Steadily gaining market share
Despite that, Apple has continued to outgrow those two in sales. It increased sales by 38 percent in the U.S. during the second quarter of this year, compared with U.S. leader Dell's 11.5 percent growth, and HP's 6 percent, according to IDC.

And while Apple still lags far behind those two in market share, it's steadily making gains.

For those reasons, a cheaper notebook at this point doesn't make a whole lot of sense, since people have clearly been willing to shell out for Apple's current notebook lineup at $1,099 and up.

At the same time, there is a precedent here for Apple offering a lower-end, less-expensive alternative model in a product category. Take the iPod. Apple started with the first iPod in 2001 at $399 for 5GB; the company then expanded the line to include the 4GB iPod Mini three years later at $250; then in 2005 a $199 2GB Nano came along, as well as the $79 Shuffle.

The company knows what it's doing when it comes to filling in those price gaps, said Stephen Baker, vice president of industry analysis at NPD Group.

"They have the experience of how to manage that and do it in a sort of competitive market," said Baker. But he still questions the timing. "Eventually they have to (offer a lower-end model notebook), but I don't see the evidence that they need to find new buyers now that aren't willing to spend over $1,000."

If Apple did decide to make a notebook for less than $1,000 for the first time, it would be a bigger deal for the company itself than for the market. The rest of the industry made the leap over a year ago, many already selling 15-inch notebooks for around $500. So while something like this would definitely grab its competitors' attention, and could be a major motivating factor for people unsure about switching to a Mac to finally make the leap, it's not like buyers haven't already had the option of getting a sub-$1,000 nicely configured laptop elsewhere.

"If they do it, it will be interesting to hear why they're doing it," said Richard Shim, notebook and desktop analyst at IDC. "At the very least it's a no-lose situation (for Apple) from purely a market standpoint, from gaining share."

For complete coverage of the Apple notebook news, see "Apple polishes up its MacBook line."

Erica Ogg is a CNET News reporter who writes about consumer electronics and PCs, mostly as chief correspondent for Crave. She's also one of the hosts of CNET News' Daily Podcast. In her non-work life, she's a history geek, a loyal Dodgers fan, and a mac-and-cheese connoisseur. E-mail Erica.
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by phess11 October 13, 2008 5:48 AM PDT
Apples market share can only go up. They are at the bottom. They should keep the prices high. It adds to the novelty effect. They only reason people buy Apple products it to impress their friends. If someone buys a Mac everyone hears about it. So if they drop the price it will be less impressive. Apple should stick to the model that works for them, target people that have more money than brains. Let's be serious the only reason people started buy Macs again is because they made the leap that if Apple can make a decent MP3 player they probably make a good PC. Like I said, more money than brains.
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by TogetherinParis October 13, 2008 5:49 AM PDT
Percentages mean nothing here. Apple's market share remains miniscule and competitors are selling many more computers than Apple does. Jobs has bided his time, staving off the true redemption. "High-end electronics" will become an oxymoron as trends continue into the future. If something isn't done soon to reposition the product line, eventually the company will close and face liquidation just like so many others before it.
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by tomhuxley October 13, 2008 6:35 AM PDT
<blockquote>Apple's market share remains miniscule and competitors are selling many more computers than Apple does. </blockquote>

Since Apple is selling about 15-20% of all notebooks in the US (and 8-10% worldwide), its share can't be all that minuscule.
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by Penguinisto October 13, 2008 6:39 AM PDT
Wow - the MSFT cheerleading squad gets out of bed awfully early in the morning, don't they?

It's real simple though - counting only notebooks, I doubt that 10% is "miniscule", considering that this makes Apple the 4th-largest player in the notebook market (behind only Acer, Dell, and HP). If trends continue, Apple will soon have 20% of the same market in 12-18 months, making it the same size as Dell and HP, and possibly larger. To further complicate things, Apple will be taking others' marketshare from the top, meaning that Dell, HP, and Acer will lose their higher-margin products.

@ phess11 & "TogetherinParis": Actually, Apple is making high margins and very healthy profits. They have as much free cash as Microsoft does right now - ab't $20bn each. No debt. I don't see how it's going to end up dead anytime soon.

Guess you'll just have to get used to the idea that Apple is going to be around, and be a major player. Hard for you fanboys to swallow, sure - but them's the facts. ;)

/P
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by lkrupp October 13, 2008 6:43 AM PDT
"They (sic) only reason people buy Apple products it to impress their friends."

Well, that's certainly a new take by the Windows fanboy crowd.

"If something isn't done soon to reposition the product line, eventually the company will close and face liquidation just like so many others before it."

I see the economic Nobel laureates here are at it again predicting Apple's demise. How many times has the Apple death clock watch been hauled out now over the last thirty years. Yet Apple remains the oldest surviving personal computer manufacturer still producing product.
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by newnewsreader October 13, 2008 7:10 AM PDT
A simple observation: even if Apple adds a notebook of $800 to its notebook product line, it will still be expensive for most consumers.
So, the update is simply needed to stay in the game.

If this notebook has all the features of a higher priced notebook, Apple will be able to persuade a lot more people to 'get a Mac', because the fact is that Mac OS X is commonly perceived as a better operating system and that MacBooks are well build and durable.

This could result in less margin per notebook in the short term, but later on - due to falling component prices and a lower cost per notebook because of higher product numbers - margins could be the same as before. The effect could even be more dramatic because it is also a known fact that new Mac buyers will spend considerable money on new Apple software like iWork, .mac etc.

So, the net result will be a bigger market share for Apple and possibly more margin per customer (software typically has a very high margin). This result is almost inevitable because of the (factual) high quality of Apples hard and software, and the ongoing word of mouth advertising as a result.

J.
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by goodspeed8701 October 13, 2008 7:14 AM PDT
i will buy a mac when it can do without windows(bootcamp) i cant spend money for a system that dont do a thing or os that is so weak. till apple can do without bootcamp then it will be worth buying.
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by pfletcher October 13, 2008 7:19 AM PDT
The article, like so may is written by a Mac user, who as such has little experience or knowledge of the market besides what she reads in 'marketing reports'

The simple fact is you can buy a Windows laptop with a dual core cpu 100GB+ HD, DVDRW for $500 from many different vendors.

So if Apple decides they are going to take a dive into the sub $1K market then they need to be very careful as that market is, by its very nature price sensitive.

I would like to see Apple really think different as the old slogan went - give me a modular computer - say a 15" or 17" multitouch panel with a clipon BT keyboard and a cpu unit with a storage unit. Like this http://www.ergo-computing.com/ but more modular
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by thomcarl October 13, 2008 8:14 AM PDT
Ogg? is that a real name?
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by ckurowic October 13, 2008 8:31 AM PDT
Okay you know what, Windows fanboys? Use what you want to use. I'm really sick of you fools saying how much Apple sucks just because they are more expensive. Okay, so what, we know you like to buy cheap pieces of garbage and pass them off as computers. It is pretty ridiculous that you geeks get so into your super "cool" Dells, Acers, and HP's. They look like total pieces of trash, and function just about the same. No one looks at you and thinks "wow that guy is coooool! Look at that sa-weeet Dell!". No, sorry, it just doesn't happen. I know what you are going to say. "I don't care about what other people think". Sure you do. Everyone does (well come to think of it maybe you DON'T care if your like that fool in my class who sounds like he is using a sledge-hammer to type on this crappy Dell laptop, you know, the same guy that uses EXCEL to type notes into, what a moron). Don't try to pass that crap off. I'm not saying I purchase Apple products to look cool. However, I would like to try and not look like a tool when I get the BSOD right in the middle of a presentation on how great MSFT is (yes this actually happened in my investments strategies class....poor guy).
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by goodspeed8701 October 13, 2008 8:47 AM PDT
apple fanboys dont want to believe that os10 cant do anything more than what vista or xp can do. when mac users want to do something os x cant do they switch to windows using bootcamp. osx can run on any computer if you like youtube it. cnet also did a tutorial because of the DRM apple thinks the mac is different from a pc. pc is far more better. and windows is far more better than osx. i do anything i like with ma os. and pc. but ur os is limited so u use bootcamp to try to meet up with pc. mac is a pc. but the os is a crap that looks good but does nothing more than windows 2000
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by jaypres October 13, 2008 9:23 AM PDT
Only morons think Windows is better than OS X. Smart people knew better.
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by jaypres October 13, 2008 9:28 AM PDT
To further elaborate my point, we Mac users are already using 64-bit OS. Come next year, we will start using more and more 64-bit applications. Windows users, you are stuck forever with your 3.2 GB RAM 32-bit Vista. Why? Cos no one will write 64-bit applications for Windows nerds and the 90% market that you like to boast so often can't be bothered whether it's 32-bit or 64-bit.
Go get a life.
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by Warhaven October 13, 2008 9:42 AM PDT
I'm not too keen on Apple switching their MacBook line to aluminum. The aluminum cases dent very easily, even a very light tap on a doorway as you round the corner will dent it. We use a lot of MacBooks at my work for the students and teachers, and the plastic case is ideal for just an environment. They're very rugged. If they switch to aluminum, they're going to look like dented junk after one year in the hands of middle school students.
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by goodspeed8701 October 13, 2008 10:03 AM PDT
warhaven osx is crap because of compactibility... hate it or love it windows is better than osx. the fact that apple started computer and they sell less computers shows how crapple they realy are. the world will buy something that do real job and rich tard will buy expensive junk and look at it and say wooooow is so coooool.

if the os x is better tell me what u can do with it that windows 2000 cannot do.
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by Zoobie October 13, 2008 10:13 AM PDT
I love the grammar on this post. It seems that, like most tech support, the comments today have been outsourced overseas to countries that lack shift keys:

"They only reason people buy Apple products it to impress their friends. "

"their worldwide sale dont near 4% so make good research before you speak."

"i will buy a mac when it can do without windows(bootcamp) i cant spend money for a system that dont do a thing or os that is so weak. till apple can do without bootcamp then it will be worth buying. "

"i do anything i like with ma os. and pc. but ur os is limited so u use bootcamp to try to meet up with pc. mac is a pc. but the os is a crap that looks good but does nothing more than windows 2000"

I could go on copying more of these horrendous posts...
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by Vegaman_Dan October 13, 2008 10:14 AM PDT
Apple computers are largely niche products. Some day they may grow to compete with PC's in the home and business, but right now, it is a niche. That's not a bad thing. That protects them from many realities such as the economy. With the downturn in the economy, people simply don't have the same levels of expendable income that they did. When they are looking for a notebook to do basic work with, will they spend $500 on a PC or $1000-2000 on an Apple to do exactly the same thing? A year ago if you wanted to have that status symbol of the Apple, then that was fine. Now when you have to choose which you want and still be able to feed your family- well, decisions have to be made.

I don't think in the end it makes a bit of difference to Apple. Fans will buy whatever they put out at whatever price. If Apple wants to go after the real market, they will have to adjust to the reality of the situation or stay in their niche.

It's up to Apple.
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by keithasmithjr October 13, 2008 10:36 AM PDT
I am not at all certain that moving prices down in the Mac laptop lineup is a great idea. It depends a lot on what one will get for a lower price.

Right now, there is a brisk market for high end G4 Mac laptops that lands right in the range proposed for a low end Intel model. For that price, however, you get lots of ports and high end optical drives as well as a large screen in a used laptop. I've found few bad ones, too, which makes that market very attractive to students and folks who just want a laptop for travel and/or convenience in websurfing and e-mail.

I'd be interested in seeing what a low range MacBook might do to that used market.
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by saylorew October 13, 2008 10:41 AM PDT
Oh, WOW!! I JUST BOUGHT MY MACBOOK @ MONTHS AGO AND NOW THEY MIGHT LOWER THE PRICE TO $800.00 AND I BOUGHT IT FOR 1,199, ****
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by RompStar_420 October 13, 2008 11:23 AM PDT
The Mac Pro G5 Power Mac that I bought 3 years ago for $2000 is still the best computer in the house. It outruns and outshines everything, I get lots of work done on it, it is not just a toy and something that I brag to my friends about.

I think the MacBooks are too expensive anyways, but I like apple anyhow.
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