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Safari 3.0 for Windows (beta)

Posted by Robert Vamosi
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When Steve Jobs announced the beta for the Apple Safari 3.0 browser for Windows XP and Vista, the first thought on many minds was "Do we need it?" On a Mac, Apple Safari excels in some important areas--speed, rendering, standards compliance--but offers very few plug-ins, doesn't preview tabs, and doesn't preview linked URLs. When the final version comes out, Safari 3.0 will likely compete directly with and make things harder for the Opera community, but will draw little from the existing Firefox and Internet Explorer user base.

The public beta offers three download choices: Safari plus Quicktime for Windows XP and Vista; Safari for Windows XP and Vista; and Safari for Mac OS 10.4.9 or later. We downloaded the first option and had Safari up and running within minutes. One choice during setup will be unfamiliar to most Windows users. On a Mac, Apple's Bonjour protocol finds the local IP address of all devices such as your network printer. Bonjour works the same on a Windows machine.

The plastic look and feel of Safari is distinctively Apple. If you use iTunes, the font and colors of the Safari bookmarks will be familiar. If you highlight a word on any page and then right-click, you get an option to search with Google. On the browser itself, you can set the default search to be with either Google or Yahoo--far fewer choices than with Internet Explorer or Firefox. Without prompting, Safari sucked in all our bookmarks from IE and Firefox. With Safari, you can make any tab its own window. But if you close any Safari window, you lose all your tabs. Only Firefox 2 offers session restore, restoring your tab session as it was.

Safari 3.0 comes with pages for Apple, Amazon, eBay, and Yahoo, and newsfeeds from Google, CNN, New York Times, Washington Post, BBC, NPR, and CNET News.com preinstalled on the toolbar. Under bookmarks, Apple includes a hundred more sites, such as National Geographic, Accuweather.com, and TV Guide, all grouped by category.

On standards, Safari rocks. It has passed what is called the Acid2 test, a test designed by the Web Standards Project. And, if you believe Apple, it renders pages twice as fast as Internet Explorer.

In the end, Safari 3.0 beta is a mixed bag. There are some good features, but current Firefox and Internet Explorer users will likely be frustrated by the lack of add-ons and other user interface concerns. And, less than twenty-four hours after its public release, three security researchers have found at least eight significant flaws within the Safari for Windows browser.

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Safari does not function
by hbernstein June 11, 2007 5:44 PM PDT
On my XP SP2 machine no menu items appear, no shortcut items appear.
These toolbars are all blank.
I uninstalled it immediately.
Looks like this beta is a loooooong way from completion.
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Completely dissapointed, and not really needed...
by JWilliams06 June 12, 2007 12:21 AM PDT
I was utterly shocked when Apple decided to port over it's Safari browser to the Windows Operating System. But after putting it through it's paces for about 15 minutes; I quickly uninstalled it. First, it doesn't seem to work all that well and uses just as much memory as the Firefox/Opera clients even with a few tabs open. Second, why do PC users need this? It "feels" so feature incomplete, only thing good about it - is that it renders pages & text beautifully.

It doesn't have anything near the customization as Firefox, or even the now basic "quick-tabs" preview available in Internet Explorer 7. It certainly doesn't feel any faster than Opera 9.1 which is incredibly fast. The software seems just completely hallow -- like a shell of a Internet Browser.

Apple's got a long LONG way, before they think that offering their Internet Browser is going to make customers want to buy their computers. Not to mention there's no necessary need in changing browsers, for people Internet Explorer 6 works just fine, and tabs confuse them. iTunes is a hot seller because it is the necssary interface to communicate to their iPod, and it works.... pretty simple for most people. Not to mention their constant marketing.

But again, Apple has a long way to go with this "new" version of Safari.
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Word. Safari needs to stay in Africa.
by Jay Two June 12, 2007 12:24 AM PDT
The beta has no menu on mine either. I think they made us download some MEMORY HOGGING progam, that it makes IE and firefox seem slower. Smart bastards....

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Safari works fine here on XP sp2
by js33 June 12, 2007 3:55 AM PDT
Not sure whats wrong with all your computers but Safari works fine here on XP
sp2. It looks and works just the same as it does on my iMac. I'm going to use it
for awhile and see if I like it better than FF. FF is fine but it sure uses up a lot of
memory.
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On a Mac, Safari has always been beta
by Oregon1 June 12, 2007 6:01 AM PDT
Here are some issues I've encountered using Safari on a Mac:

- Any Flash animations viewed in Safari play far slower than when played on Firefox.

- You can't use Safari to pay for a Skype account. The transaction won't go through, and you'll be requested to use another browser. Skype states this is a "known issue" with Safari. (Firefox worked just fine).

- Windows Live Hotmail won't install. Microsoft will tell you to use either IE or Firefox.

There are other limitations, but these are the most recent I've encountered. It remains to be seen how these issues are addressed under a newer version.
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Not comparable to FF!
by khushiyal June 12, 2007 7:35 AM PDT
Compared to FF, its performance is pathetic. Rendering might be faster, but have to wait a long time to download the page. Just try browsing same site in the two browsers at the sametime and you can see the difference. Safari on Mac does much better, but sometimes even on my Mac I just use FF...
Uninstalling it for now, will wait for the finished product but not now......
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I'm just not that impressed
by Revrant June 12, 2007 10:01 AM PDT
Well I was about to post that I wasn't horribly impressed and that I'd wait for the
full release, but after having to login and having it redirect me to an ad AND
receive a popup, I'm mildly disgruntled. There might be hope here, but Apple
software is notorious for being crap on Windows and good stuff on a Mac.
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Top 7 reasons why Safari 3 sucks
by cbarcaf June 12, 2007 10:48 PM PDT
An interesting article I came across on Zolved.com via Digg

http://www.zolved.com/synapse/view_content/29266/Top_7_reasons_why_Safari_3_sucks

"The browser war is at its zenith and the latest entry in the field is Safari 3. Apple Inc. CEO Steve Jobs made a recent deliberate move, introducing a version of the Safari browser for Microsoft Windows based computers. Steve Jobs made this announcement during his address note in this week's Worldwide Developers Conference in San Francisco." as said in Zolved
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Doesn't work for many XP sp2 configurations
by phrelin June 13, 2007 8:52 AM PDT
It appears that the Beta version is never going to work on my configuration or many others. A quick Google search came up with a number of complaints about the toolbar menus being blank grey rectangles as I am experiencing. I've reinstalled 3 times, checked registry entries and just can't get it to work with my 1680 x 1050 DVI display, although I did get it to reshape to a widescreen appearance. Not that I need this headache....
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Why Safari?????
by Lancashire June 18, 2007 2:26 PM PDT
Why in the world would I want Safari? I have used Opera for years, even when I had to pay for it. I also use Firefox some of the time and Internet Explorer for sites that will not open properly in the other browsers. I also found SlimBrowser which has a lot of good features--espcially for people in our community who need something where the entire size of the site can be increased easily for easier reading. Keep the Safari in the jungle.
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Safari missing text problem
by murphy-m June 18, 2007 2:41 PM PDT
The problem with text missing is related to the number of fonts on your system. Too many fonts and the browser gets screwed up.

Check for a file named fonts.plist in C:\Documents and Settings\username\Local Settings\Application Data\Apple Computer\Safari.(XP SP2) Thats the culprit and you need one that will adapt to your font listings. Do a web search to find one then make it read only so Safari doesn't change it on reload.
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missing text & missing fonts.plist
by wabi June 20, 2007 7:52 PM PDT
that file - fonts.plist does not exist in any of my installations. Is there a way of getting hold of a template fonts.plist?

safari works satisfactorily on my laptop, but has text display problems on my desktop
by CCPYUE April 1, 2008 4:25 PM PDT
Safari sucks. It does not support Chinese characters display. I go back to Firefox which is a far better browser.
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