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Flickr curtails German photo sharing

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Flickr just found a downside to adding support for seven languages to its photo-sharing site: limits on photo sharing and resulting accusations of censorship.

a Flickr protest image

A Flickr protest image

(Credit: Flickr)

Flickr launched sites in seven languages Wednesday, expanding beyond just English. But because of a German law, the company decided it had to restrict the photos German members could see to those that had been marked "safe" by members using Flickr's filtering ability that arrived in March. That restriction triggered a forum discussion thread, "Flickr now censoring all moderate and restricted photos from Germany," and an "Against Censorship at Flickr" group.

According to a posting by Flickr staff member Heather Powazek Champ, Flickr had hoped to find a way around a general safe-image restriction for Germans, but "the solutions did not come together."

"The decision to change the Flickr experience in Germany was never about censorship--it was made to try to ensure that Yahoo Germany was in compliance with local legal restrictions," she said. "The central problem is that Germany has much more stringent age-verification laws than its neighboring countries and specifies much harsher penalties, including jail time, for those with direct responsibility," namely Flickr's German office staff.

But Flickr members are still outraged. In the words of user "Remmy1," one comment among the thousands on the subject, "Instead of investing money to solve the issue technically--as so many other companies that are doing business in Germany have obviously done--they are limiting a whole nation (not to forget our affected friends in Austria and Switzerland)."

Flickr hopes to fix things soon, Powazek Champ said.

"We're not perfect (as much as we'd like to be), but everyone on the team is resourceful, fair-minded and determined to find the solution to this," she said.

Meanwhile, she urged Flickr members to trust the company to do the right thing. "We've made and admitted to a couple of big mistakes lately, and as many of you have commented, we should have handled this issue differently. Believe me when I say that we'd rather not make mistakes in the first place, but when we do, take hope in the fact that we always listen, always respond, and often change the system as a direct result of your input," Powazek Champ said.

Flickr founder and general manager Stewart Butterfield has publicly apologized for two mistakes. In the first, Flickr deleted a picture by Icelandic photographer Rebekka Gu?leifsdóttir. She said the photo was being sold without her permission by an unaffiliated company, and discussion about the matter had grown heated, leading Flickr to delete the photo.

"The photo was deleted--again, mistakenly--because of the direction the comments had gone, which included posting the personal information of the infringing company's owner and suggestions for how best to exact revenge. It is an emotional issue and most people were there to support Rebekka in a positive way, but some of the angry mob behavior crossed the line," Butterfield said in a forum posting. "There are several policies which will be changing as a direct result of this incident and the goal is that nothing like this ever happens again."

The second incident involved restrictions on photos from sex writer Violet Blue. Butterfield apologized in that case as well, and the company removed most of the restrictions.

Setting appropriate and legal publishing restrictions is a common issue on the Internet, which connects so many vastly different people. As Flickr's Powazek Champ said, "We're all getting really uncomfortable that the words 'Flickr' and 'censorship' are being jammed together with increasing frequency because that is so far from the direction we're trying to move in."

And Flickr has been on the receiving end of censorship actions. Flickr images are being blocked in China, Butterfield has said.

Via Zooomr Chief Executive Thomas Hawk.

Originally posted at News Blog
Stephen Shankland covers Google, Yahoo, search, online advertising, portals, digital photography, and related subjects. He joined CNET News in 1998 and since then also has covered servers, supercomputing, open-source software, and science. E-mail Stephen.
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Flickr's bad customer dealings
by net_efekt--2008 June 19, 2007 5:42 AM PDT
If I am a German using a yahoo.com (US) id, then the new filter
doesn't apply to me. So why do they apply for those who are
registered with yahoo.de (Germany)? We're all Germans and the
same law applies to us, so, if jail were a real threat, then surley
the service would have been sued ages ago.

It seems that to avoid the new filter a lot of people have to pay
twice - ie. to create a new registration via the US site. This
certainly doesn't help.

Furthermore, why has it taken flickr such a long time to answer
the protesters? It took days for the first (very weak) reply, and
only now some clearer responses.

Hopefully they will have learnt some lessons about W2.0!
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Complexity
by flickrz June 30, 2007 12:00 PM PDT
I think most of the people don't understand the complexity of doing business in international market. Eventhough the company is registered in USA it has employees in Germany. They can go to jail for doing the same thing in Germany that is perfectly legal in the USA. Now, which company would want their employees to go to jail. And, about jailing chinese journalist. I think it is overblown. Firstly, how would Yahoo or any other company for that matter would know why Police needs info about a certain guy? Chinese police doesn't go to company and say "he is a political dissident and we would like to get his identity". And, based on MOU they sign with local authorities they must submit that info to them else they'd be booted out of the country or worse the employees who refused to release the info could be jailed. These companies are not tools to promote freedom of speech and democracy in those countries. They are there to do business and increase value for their shareholders. So, it is hurtful to see people commenting on stuff they don't know about. You have to have had lived in other countries to understand how things work elsewhere and how companies have to comply to various legalities involved. Besides, Americans are the least respected in those countries because of the same arrrogance that has been posted by people here.
Disclaimer: I work for Yahoo and love every moment of it.
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Cant belive flickr censors user's photos
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