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August 24, 2007 4:26 PM PDT

Jooce: The beginnings of another Web OS

Posted by Rafe Needleman
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I got my hands on an early build of the Web operating system Jooce this week. I find this class of product interesting, but I've yet to see one that's really compelling. See also: Startforce (video), YouOS (review), DesktopTwo (review), Glide Effortless (review), and Goowy and YourMinis (review) .

The concept is elemental Webware: Web OSes, at least in theory, put all the heavy lifting an operating system usually does on a server somewhere on the Net, while the interface gets funneled through a browser. With a Web OS, you don't need to worry about any additional software or storage on your local computer. This means any browser-equipped machine can become your personal machine with a simple log-in. And since all of your data is stored centrally, it's also generally easier to share and collaborate with others.

The Jooce Web OS is easy on the eyes, and it's easy to use.

The downside is speed and the availability of apps. Jooce, in its current, pre-pre-release stage, is a Web OS that appears to have done a good job solving the speed issue. But I didn't see any serious applications to work with it.

Turn the page on Jooce: From your private desktop to your shared space.

(Credit: CNET Networks)

The Jooce UI is built in Flash and is nice-looking and easy to use. It's also got a clever sharing feature: Each user gets two workspaces by default: private and shared. You can easily move files between them to make them available to others, and a quick mouse-click rotates your workspace between the two spaces, much like user switching on Mac OS. (In fact, the default desktop background is a pretty blatant ripoff of the blue swoosh on the Mac desktop.)

At the moment, there are no Jooce apps to play with aside from a multi-service IM client, a file uploader, and some media players, but Jooce CEO Stefan Surzucki told me that their platform enables apps to easily talk amongst themselves, so you won't have the collection-of-separate-widgets that you get on single-page aggregators like NetVibes. But somebody's going to have to come up with good ideas to implement, and then build those apps. I can't tell yet if that will be easy, or hard, or if anyone is yet lined up to do so, especially considering the explosion of app and widget platforms that developers now have to worry about.

To me, Jooce feels like a something like a blend between single-page aggregators NetVibes or Pageflakes (both of which let you add widgets to your own page, and share then as well), and Yahoo Pipes, which makes it relatively easy to mash apps together--something you cannot do in today's SPAs.

Jooce also has the air of a science project right now, albeit a very pretty one. We will likely learn from this Web OS, and many others, that the job of building a new platform, while technically challenging, is nothing compared to the job of convincing developers to write apps for it.

Rafe Needleman writes about start-ups, new technologies, and Web 2.0 products, as editor of CNET's Webware. E-mail Rafe.
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STUPID!! wHO NEEDS THIS!!!
by Sascha65 August 28, 2007 5:47 PM PDT
THIS PROGRAM IS THE WORST IDEA EVER WHO THE **** WANTS A SERVER ONLINE STORING THEIR ****, I WANT MY STUFF ON "MY" COMPUTER!
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I think it is great!!
by crazymike613 August 28, 2007 5:56 PM PDT
this is a kool web app because u can use it as almost like a remote desktop conection. u can have ur files on it and access them from any ware. like if u have a gamming system w/ internet browser (wii) u can use aas kinda ur computer so i think it is kool
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Seems interesting enough
by Wengistein August 28, 2007 11:16 PM PDT
This seems like a nice new development. It sure beats carrying CD-ROMS/DVDs and flash drives around everywhere.
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Seems Linux(interface)
by akamaru_kaiba August 29, 2007 2:26 AM PDT
interface, looks like Linux(Beryl + Object Dock) + Vista... Better stay with Linux for more secure environment....
Just think for a while, what will happen if thier server hacked??? what about our???
n one more think, this is a cool idea, but not a great idea...
~Linux for Our Safety And Fun
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As If.........
by TekNurd August 29, 2007 4:21 AM PDT
I Agree.....
Who in there right Mind are going to want an Online OS????
Softwares like Steganos Online Safe for example...
Safer way of storing files in which you can access elsewhere...
Online Emails even... theres plenty of Storage online.
Even so, Who wants online storage? Backup your Data yourself to DVDs, Ext HDDS, and take on USB keys. at 8GB these days and Growing Very Fast!!
Dont rely on Servers to store files. They crash too..
BUt anyway back to an Online OS. ..
Hehe, Your only going to still need a PC with an OS anyway, setup with Browsers, Anti's. and other garbage. I see No Point in having an Online PC. just more hasles.
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that's right!
by GorvernmentHacker August 29, 2007 6:51 AM PDT
to access the internet you would need an os anyway and if your computer came with windows vista or mac os x why would you bother getting a risky online os?????!!!!!!!
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So what if you lose you connection to the net
by skiracer712 August 29, 2007 8:14 AM PDT
What if for whatever reason you cant connect to the net??? Whether it be you just moved and dont have a you internet hooked up yet, or any other number of various reasons, would you even be able to use your computer??? I just moved and I had to get dial-up for a little less than a month before the cable guy could get out here to hook me up, and I doubt dial-up would support such an app. What if their servers go down, are you out of an OS at that point until there back up???

This just seems like a stupid idea all-together. Seems like there would be a massive amounnt of security issues. I did hear some rumors though that MS's next OS might be moving in this direction.
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Great feedback
by teamjooce August 29, 2007 12:21 PM PDT
Thanks for all the feedback, we love this type of stuff.

As for the 'concept' of a web os, this is simply a label people are giving this type of interface. We do not call ourselves a web os, nor do we claim to be. See our blog post entitled:

If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, assume it?s a swan --July 6th, 2007

http://www.jooce.com/blog/?p=158

We agree that a webOS is a bit of a misnomer, and subtly misses the point. If anything, meta computing is more accurate term. What the heck is that you say?!? Well stay tooned, we have some interesting stuff in store that could benefit many.

As for data accessibility if one is not online; we are working on a solution for this issue, one we will be rolling out in due time. Keep in mind though, many people who are more upset when they don?t have internet than when they don?t have hot water.

All the best to the webware community,

TeamJooce
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Come down from your ivory towers
by arjunsandulkar August 29, 2007 4:24 PM PDT
I have been very interested to read the comments posted here about the
usefulness or otherwise of applications like jooce -- the web OS.

Some of you appear to think everyone in the world owns three PCs, has a Mac
Powerbook on the bedside table and a laptop lying around for good measure.

I'm not sure where you live (i could hazard a guess), but where I come from,
ownership of a computer is not a god-given right, it is a luxury.

What is the use of a web OS like jooce, asks one of you, when you can store
everything you own on your own computer. Good question. But supposing
you don't own a computer? Supposing you maintain four email accounts,
three IM accounts, access the internet every day from an internet cafe and
lead a relatively busy online life, but you can't afford a computer? Would an
application like jooce help you to better manage the disparate pieces of your
online life? I think so.

I work every day with school children in Chennai. Every single one of my
students is internet savvy. They are part of a generation whose apetite for the
internet - and the many transformative benefits it can bring - has far
outstripped society's ability to provide the tools to properly access it. I can
say with confidence that 90 percent of my students will not own their own
computer in the next 15 years of life. But there is no way they are going to let
that stop them from doing all the things on the internet that you all seem to
take for granted.

I don't know if jooce - or indeed any of the other web OS' on the market are
the answer. I have seen the jooce system, and though it looks nice, I'm not
sure what substance there is to it. Nor do I think it will get far in the markets
it is apparently targeting without at least making a token effort to translate
the system into other languages.

But before people go slamming the usefulness of an internet tool like this,
they should perhaps take a minute to try and think beyond their own narrow
sphere of experience.

Arjun Sandulkar, Chennai
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Thanks Sascha 65
by pedroso888 August 30, 2007 2:03 AM PDT
Not sure if you are 5 or have the mental age of a 5 year old in the midst of a foot stomping session (as your input would suggest) but at least it made me sign up to this forum which meant I logged back into read Arjun's intelligent comments. I would add that when you say "your" computer I wonder how much debt you have. If you are like me and most people in the West it is not your computer. It is your bank's or credit cards computer and you are the mule working to keep them off your back. Anyway...not sure how it will play out in the Webdesktop space but consider this: if I wish to buy a book I don't spend thousands of pounds on a printing press. I let larger companies do that job cheaper and better. Likewise the trend for larger processors, with bigger hardrives in PC's doesn't really make economic sense and only benefits manufacturers. It is only a matter of time before the internet is fast enough for a thin(ner) client approach to computing where we benefit from huge economies of scale in purchasing power at a centralised level. Finally, I would take issue with anyone who thinks there stuff is safer on their computer. Safe from flood, theft, viruses? If so I might argue that my money is safer under my bed than in a Swiss bank. It is a stupid argument but then there is no law yet preventing people from making stupid arguments (as Sasch'a input is testimony too). Sascha, I know you have more fingers than brains but at least give your brain a fighting chance when you comment in public forums.
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by programlar January 2, 2008 7:02 PM PST
thanks good site

http://www.turk3.org
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by joocer June 6, 2008 11:36 PM PDT
http://myjooce.com

Forum for Joocers! (Jooce Users)
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